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Zoin34 · Jul 28, 2005, 10:45 PM // 22:45

Ummm well most people won't wear full armor sets because of the varity of armor out there that give different abilities. That wouldn't be fair if I had a warrior using a sword and I didn't want a strength Helmet I'd rather have the sword one even though it didn't look good with my armor.

Sonya Wyngarde · Jul 28, 2005, 11:04 PM // 23:04

Umm as a person that has one character in a whole set and one in a mixed set I say no. Reason simple you say you are talking about a small bonus for having a complete set but that means penlizing those who are trying to either look unquie or are mixing sets for stat reasons and lets face it thats not fair. So i say that if you don't like someones armor combo don't use it ourself , and besides whats the big deal with haveing a clean set?

Khyron the Dark · Jul 28, 2005, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Wow...a whole lotta uptight people here.... I agree w/Lagg about a small bonus being applied to wearing a complete set of armor (+5-7% AL?), and even if I didn't agree, I wouldn't be so closed minded to think that those who still ran around wearing "patchwork" or "piecemail" armor (for the stats, looks, etc.) are being penalized. I run around alot w/out a helmet on (even though head shots are criticals, I think?) cause my guy looks cool like that.... It's my choice (and yours on your's) how I set up my character for battle.... Geez everybody, lighten up a lil!!

BTW: I still think YellowMarker is a genius....

IMHO: I think this is a nice idea Lagg...

EmperorTippy · Jul 28, 2005, 11:50 PM // 23:50

I hate the idea from a balance point of view but if implamented I would be able to make even more powerful builds. Imagine my protection monk. Assuming that I got a +1(20% chance) to protection and the +1 from my helm and the +1(20% to chance) to protect then I could have 18 in protection and make Healing Ball more viable. (If NR was nefred). This would only reward the rich people who can afford a few different sets of armor for a character as they could switch during battle to get the maximum bonus.

gendred · Jul 29, 2005, 12:18 AM // 00:18

wait - you mean my monk can just wear tattoos everywhere? Thats f-ing awesome

Mavrik · Jul 29, 2005, 01:26 AM // 01:26

I wear a mixed set because I liked how the mix looked and also wanted a little of everything. When I started out, I was getting complete sets of every armor but now with better armor being so expensive... I limited myself to one piece from each...

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 29, 2005, 02:49 AM // 02:49

I don't like this idea at all. Why should people be given a bonus for looking "Prettier" and plainer yet ignoring tactical advantages?

All I need is 25 mana with my warrior. I don't need 30 or 31. Just 25. Therefore, I wear all Gladiator except for my pants which are Wyvern. I do this for one thing becuase the gladiator pants look stupid on me. I do this also becuase it gives me a slight advantage over someone with full gladiator armor (Out of his own short sightedness) who is using ruffly the same skill set.

Lagg · Jul 29, 2005, 03:20 AM // 03:20

I can live with the fact that you all disagree with the idea, just not that after three posts, you still don't seem to get the point.

1. You are not getting penalized for wearing different types of armor. It's a smart thing to do and (oh the scandal!), I do it too, in pvp.

2. If, however, you choose to wear a full set, you get a small bonus.

Yes, I, personally, avoid to combine and I think you should get a little reward for wearing a full set and I do not think that this sanctions people who do not, since they already get multiple boni from their different types of armor. They've got nothing to complain about.

So I still don't understand this. You all claim to be so individual by wanting to wear different types of armor to get multiple boni, yet a small insignificant bonus to a full set would make you stop doing so?

If anything, refusing to go for the small bonus would reaffirm your individuality.

So instead of naysaying at the first sign of change, you could all just say: "Yes, Lagg, have your little bonus, we know better, we'll keep doing it our way."

And you know what? You are all right. Combining is better (like I said, I do it too, in pvp).

And that is exactly why a full set should get a little tiny something extra, to make up for not mixing. And still it would be nowhere near as good.

And everyone would be a little happier.

PieXags · Jul 29, 2005, 03:25 AM // 03:25

If other people get benefits for wearing a full set then yes they ARE getting screwed over for wearing pieces of different sets.

And no, this is a horrible idea as a whole, take elementalists for example, for best elemental protection you would wear one piece of each sort of the armor. There's a reason why people wear different pieces, whether for the AC points and how they work out, how it looks, or because they just want to.

Basically you haven't given a good reason why you should get a bonus for wearing a full set, I mean hell I think many full sets look ugly, I think some combinations can look better than full sets.

So basically you want to screw over those wearing pieces of different sets because you don't like the way they look? Firstly it is not by any means your right to decide what people should wear and what they shouldn't, just because you think it looks dumb they might think it looks good. And they payed their money for the game same as you did so they have every right to wear whatever the hell armor sets they want, in any combination. Just because their idea of cool looking isn't the same as yours doesn't by any means mean it's bad. That goes for dye combinations as well, just because you don't like it doesn't mean anything's wrong with it.

Lagg · Jul 29, 2005, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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There's a reason why people wear different pieces, whether for the AC points and how they work out, how it looks, or because they just want to.

Exactly. And I wholeheartedly agree with them, except for the looks part.

Then tell me this: why should people even bother to wear a full set? They don't really have a reason. Yet they did bother to get the whole set (and when you think of the 15k armor sets, it's often taken them quite a bit of trouble to get them).

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Basically you haven't given a good reason why you should get a bonus for wearing a full set, I mean hell I think many full sets look ugly, I think some combinations can look better than full sets.

You just gave the reason yourself by citing the elementalist example.

Combining pieces is simply better than wearing a full set. This is why someone wearing a full set should get a little something extra to make up for not having all the advantages from different sets.

I'll cite my example. I wear a platemail. In pve, I wear it full. In pvp, I wear stonefist gauntlets to lengthen knockdown duration.

Now if I would get a small bonus (say armor bonus or strength bonus) for wearing the full set, would I still wear it full? In pve: yes, cause I'm a tank. In pvp: no way, I want the lengthen knockdown duration, no armor or strength bonus can make up for that.

Now this is just my example and it's not just about me, as some of you seem to think. Take elementalists, which you just mentioned. What if when they wear a full set, they would get a small energy storage bonus? Would they really trade it off for not having the multiple protections? I think most would not.

If anything, the bonus is useless.

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So basically you want to screw over those wearing pieces of different sets because you don't like the way they look?

No. No one is getting screwed over.

You know who's getting screwed over? People wearing full sets right now. And that's what I want to make up for.

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Firstly it is not by any means your right to decide what people should wear and what they shouldn't, just because you think it looks dumb they might think it looks good.

I never claimed it to be my right.

I do have the right to an opinion, though.

People have the full right to decide what to wear. The small bonus would encourage the wear of a full set but by no means make it inevitable. See above.

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And they payed their money for the game same as you did so they have every right to wear whatever the hell armor sets they want, in any combination.

Yes, yes, and yes again. And I will also keep combining (in pvp), even if I get a bonus. But I'll feel even more happy getting that small bonus at the moments when I don't (in pve).

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Just because their idea of cool looking isn't the same as yours doesn't by any means mean it's bad. That goes for dye combinations as well, just because you don't like it doesn't mean anything's wrong with it.

It's my opinion.

I'm not saying that what they're doing is wrong, I'm saying I think it's bad taste. I never said they had to think like me.

I can say a Ferrari is bad taste if I like.

You can say I have a bad taste, too.

Heck, we all have bad taste to someone.

P.S. But one thing I am right about and which you cannot possibly question: some of the dye combinations out there are just plain gross. Some people are simply colourblind, I guess.

And even though I disagree with them, I will defend to death their right to do so.

EmperorTippy · Jul 29, 2005, 04:04 AM // 04:04

The elemtalist armor bonus only appplies to the specific area it covers. If you were a pyro chest and Aero everywere else and are hit in the chest by a Lighting attack then your AC for that attack is 60 (assuming no +'s from skills, this is with only armor on you) now if you got hit in the chest by a fire attack your AC would be 75 (60+15 bonus for armor). The only armor bonus applied universally is the absorbtion affect of Knights Armor (Why people were Knights boots, Stonefist gauntlets, Glads chest, and w/e hat fits their build (they may also drop Stonfist in favor of glads if they need more energy and don't play a knockdown warrior)).

PieXags · Jul 29, 2005, 04:21 AM // 04:21

Lagg, there is no penalty for having a full set of armor, in some cases. Just like there's no penalty for wearing a different combination, in some cases. Different armors give different benefits for different situations, they should be decided upon only by their stats and looks depending on player taste, players who wear different sets of armor get the bonus that the armor stats say it will give them, just like wearing a full set will get you the "bonus" the stats say you'll get. There's nothing more to it, right now, nobody is getting screwed, but if you gave people who wore a full set a bonus other than what's in their stats, people will get screwed.

Lagg · Jul 29, 2005, 04:28 AM // 04:28

So why are you all saying it's a bad idea?

Don't you see we actually agree on the damn thing?

1. Combining types gives you more benefits.

2. Wearing a full set just isn't the way to go, since you're missing out on the benefits of combining.

My solution to this problem is to give people more of a reason to actually wear a full set: a small bonus. Let's call it a little consolation for stupid narrowminded people like me who are stubborn and don't wish to combine.

So what will happen?

People who want to wear a full set will be happy to see them rewarded a little something extra.

People who are combining will keep on combining, since the bonus for wearing a full set just doesn't make up for all the benefits of combining.

The only thing we disagree on is looks, and that's everyone's personal thing. The whole problem is not about looks alone. Actually, I shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. Having an outspoken opinion seems to be very much disliked around here.

EmperorTippy · Jul 29, 2005, 04:34 AM // 04:34

The problem Lagg (as I've already stated) is that people with more money could buy that extra set to use in specific instances were the bonus is helpful (like you said previously a +1 20% chance increase to a skill with the full set). I would make builds that can capitilize of a lvl 18 skill.

Flamingpeanut · Jul 29, 2005, 04:38 AM // 04:38

For some reason all I can think when reading this is the Nazi ideal of 'supremacy or the airan (Sp?) race'. Blue eyes and blonde hair should rule the earth -> Correct combinations of armour should have a bonus.

You are saying, in a nutshell, that other people should be penalised for looking bad - to your eyes only.
And don't talk about in not being a a puishment for mixing, but a bonus for not mixing, because the other having a bonus is the same as giving the first a penalty.

Lagg · Jul 29, 2005, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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Originally Posted by PieXags

There's nothing more to it, right now, nobody is getting screwed, but if you gave people who wore a full set a bonus other than what's in their stats, people will get screwed.

Now I have to disagree.

I feel I'm being screwed for wearing a full set.

I don't see any reason at all (except for looks) why I should be wearing the platemail gauntlets instead of the stonefist gauntlets. For 10 extra armor? Oh please. Like you're getting hit there all that often.

And the platemail helm? I'd much rather be wearing a duelist helm and get +1 swordsmanship. But once again, I think that would look like crap.

So that's it, the game forces me to combine sets and I don't like it. Now, I can live with that. I do it when I have to, and I don't when I can avoid it.

Would having a bonus to a full set change things? No, it would make me marginally better in a full set, but it would never make up for combining.

If I were unreasonable, I'd ask for a really large bonus, and then indeed a lot of people would switch to a full set. But I'm not. The more I'm trying to tell you I respect your opinions too (more than that, I agree with them), the more you're lecturing me how I shouldn't try to meddle with other people's ideas.

EmperorTippy · Jul 29, 2005, 04:48 AM // 04:48

sorry for the all caps I am about to use.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE WITH ENOUGH MONEY WILL BUY THE FULL SET SO THAT THEY CAN GET A SKILL UP TO 18 (or higher) AND THEN SWITCH AS SOON AS THE ENCHANT OR WHATEVER IS USED. THEY WILL BE GETTING THE BEST OF BOTH SUITS AND EFFECTIVILY SCREW THE POOR PERSON.

maybe now you will get it.

Lagg · Jul 29, 2005, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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Originally Posted by Flamingpeanut

For some reason all I can think when reading this is the Nazi ideal of 'supremacy or the airan (Sp?) race'. Blue eyes and blonde hair should rule the earth -> Correct combinations of armour should have a bonus.

Ah yes. Now my suggestion is being related to a hypernationalist party that caused the death of millions of people throughout the world.

Also, off the record, you know Satan? He's my dad.

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You are saying, in a nutshell, that other people should be penalised for looking bad - to your eyes only. And don't talk about in not being a a puishment for mixing, but a bonus for not mixing, because the other having a bonus is the same as giving the first a penalty.

*cough*

It's not punishment for mixing, but a bonus for not mixing.

*cough*

Mixing is a bonus in itself! And bloody hell, no bonus on a full set is ever going to make me not use the stonefist gauntlets in pvp. Not even if it's oral sex from Dwayna in person.

Mixing is taking the best from all the available sets and making a versatile set with it. If you don't call that an advantage, I don't know what is.

Not mixing is choosing a set that focusses on one single aspect. A small bonus then would be to make the one single aspect even better.

Now, what EmperorTippy has brought to the table is right. You will definitely capitalise on that one attribute even more. But isn't that the whole point of Guild Wars? Deciding whether or not to excel in one attribute and neglect the rest or be more versatile?

Sure thing, someone with 18 (well, 16 and the chance to have +1 twice) in an attribute would be able to make his build around that. And a damn fine build. And he would be damn dead when faced with his rival profession. No single build is invulnerable. I'd go even further and say that the more powerful a build gets, the weaker a character becomes against his rival profession.

And you know what this would lead to? More teamwork. Especially in pvp. And isn't teamwork exactly what GW is about?

SOT · Jul 29, 2005, 05:19 AM // 05:19

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Originally Posted by Lagg

There's already enough bad taste to make the world go around with all the dye abuse, so let's at least keep that aspect clean.

Dye abuse? What the hell is 'dye abuse'? Is there some congressional oversight comittee on the phenomenon of abusing dye? What the hell?

Lagg · Jul 29, 2005, 05:22 AM // 05:22

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

sorry for the all caps I am about to use.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE WITH ENOUGH MONEY WILL BUY THE FULL SET SO THAT THEY CAN GET A SKILL UP TO 18 (or higher) AND THEN SWITCH AS SOON AS THE ENCHANT OR WHATEVER IS USED. THEY WILL BE GETTING THE BEST OF BOTH SUITS AND EFFECTIVILY SCREW THE POOR PERSON.

maybe now you will get it.

Sorry for the all caps that I am not about to use.

What stops the "poor person" from doing the same?

On a sidenote, switching armors in-game is a major balancing flaw. But that's a different topic.